# non existent dunning-kruger effect citation loop in which it turns out even the annoying who incorrectly use andor over cite the 'kruger-dunning' effect as an insult are themselves in fact at least partially aware they're wrong and that it doesn't exist that both random noise and actual numerical data literacy provide better actually scientific explanations for incompetence perceived in others quote 'or at least it seems that way' researcher henry swanson: wait up isn't that tautological if the dunning-kruger effect itself doesn't exist and most people are in fact often good enough at judging ir own competence must that not also include those who use dke as an citation insult researcher sally banana adamant: um no most tautologies (citation needed) are mere false tautologies and being at least partially conscious of the non-existence of the dunning-kruger effect while using it as an insult only proves er next to nothing to take a common example consider poor time-wasting schmucks who participate in those awful talent shows despite an obvious lack of actual talent and risking public humiliation while there's little doubt they're struggling with overconfidence (great phrase that) rooted in an egocentric personality the non-existent and better alternatively explained dunning-kruger effect could be 'big science' look forget it for now we currently quite don't have the talent or patience to explain - andor do we // republic of bob